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1 Oettinger Race camshaft. on Sun Aug 29, 2010 9:57 am

atecracing


Hello.

I am sorry for my bad English, because as like Romain i am French, but i don't speak English as well as him.

I search technical information, on race only camshaft, usable for hill climb or rallies, with the OE head.

I race with a Golf MK1 initially fitted with a 1.6l OE engine.

As it is very difficult and extremely expensive to find parts for that engine, i have of finally be resolved in replacing it for an ABF 2.0L.

As i have in mind to rebuild my OE engine, i search all information, on race camshaft for the OE head (advise, where to buy, etc).

Best regards.

Atecracing.







2 Re: Oettinger Race camshaft. on Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:19 am

FlugGTI


Ruben probably knows more, but I am only aware of the 272 and the 276 degree camshafts.

There are several companies who can provide custom grind cams however, by welding material to the lobes and then regrinding. Webb Camshafts in California are one of them

3 Re: Oettinger Race camshaft. on Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:35 pm

romaingirardlamamy

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Hey Marc,

you were fast to find the forum
i was about to send you the link
when i saw you already being a member

yeah like Eric said Oettinger was only showing two camshafts as available parts 272 and 278 degs

by the way to all of you guys did you know that Oettinger liquidate there stock of old parts and the 272 deg cams are still available and only 292€ each
no luck with the 278 deg tho Sad not dispos

I also know of an ex berg cup engine with over 200 cv
for 1600 cc with 290 deg cams and standard valves Shocked

but let Ruben have the last word is got one beautifull set of camshafts who s been modified
post us some pics Ruben Twisted Evil

4 Re: Oettinger Race camshaft. on Sun Aug 29, 2010 3:02 pm

RubenG


Yeah, I'm still playing around with the picture poster so I can put them up.

As far as the cams go, Oettinger did use the 272 for the exaust and 276 for the intake.....this allowed for great mid to high end torque. Eric's correct on the availability. The only available cams for the street and general population were the 272 and 276 cams . The 276's I used for twenty years were great but were never used as intended with an ITB setup. If you want to go above 8500 rpm's, I'd recommend going with a custom grind camshaft. Web Cams in Riverside California can work with you to regrind to your specs....yes, this requires some engineering. The benefits would be a stronger material welded to the cam lobes. The standard hardness has ALWAYS been a weak point with the Oettinger cams. I've flattened 2 sets of brand new Oettinger cams before solving this issue through the use of better modern materials.

~Ruben

5 Re: Oettinger Race camshaft. on Sun Aug 29, 2010 3:28 pm

romaingirardlamamy

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funny you says that

because on german ebay there is a 276 set of cams
but the lobes seem badly damage

how long did they took to do your cams?

6 Re: Oettinger Race camshaft. on Sun Aug 29, 2010 7:20 pm

atecracing


Hello Romain.

You probably speak about that berg cup car:

http://passiongolfgti.com/newForum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=15446&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

I try to get some technical information on his engine, but i never get me something concrete.

Many years ago, Philippe HOUEL adapt 16V Oettinger engine on single seater cars for hill climb. And i purchase from him my actual 280° regrind cams.

Marc.

7 Re: Oettinger Race camshaft. on Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:37 am

romaingirardlamamy

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Yes that s the berg cup car

I was sure you ll know It

The only reason I know for his camshaft is because when I posted the big valves group buy on the french forum
he was saying that his car was already developping
200 bhp with a 290 deg cams on standard valves

I then reply to him that I knew his car was really powerful
but more then the extras flow gains it was the weight gains
which reduces the chances of valves bouncing
And the potential to have a bit more power through extra flow

His engine is working really really well tho
And I gave him the link for this forum
it would be cool if he could come and talk about it

I also spoke with Philip Houell
but he wasn't too keen on giving some infos about his engines
he might be one of the last person
who have parts that Oettinger do not have anymore
As he s been recommended to me by the french importer

Romain

8 Re: Oettinger Race camshaft. on Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:37 am

FlugGTI


Very cool guys! Thanks for getting these guys in touch with us. Is the Berg-Cup guy from Germany? That car looks very nice and clean...I have more than a few questions about it

9 Re: Oettinger Race camshaft. on Mon Aug 30, 2010 1:16 pm

romaingirardlamamy

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Hi Eric

No he s belge the car is beautifull top specs
And sooooo quick

He unfortunatly don't have the oettinger engine anymore
As he moved up class he s now got a lehmann ( excuse the spelling if wrong)
It s a two liter big big specs ex seat track to make it short

The oettinger engine as been sold to someone on the french website it s a friend of the berg cup guy

It s been detuned and fitted with carbs for historics racing
and it s kicking the arse to much bigger cars

That s the new owner that I gave the forum and some other french people who are on the french forum also owner of oettinger cars

And with a big knowledge of the history of the vw golf oettinger in france

I thought the more we are the better

Romain

10 Re: Oettinger Race camshaft. on Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:15 pm

RubenG


Looks very interesting. I would like to hear what he did to the Oettinger 4-1 header. The collector is typically small from Oettinger.....this allowed the use of standard diameter exhuast pipes back in the 1980's when they were smaller.

11 Re: Oettinger Race camshaft. on Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:46 pm

atecracing


Hello all.

I found that video of the Oettinger berg cup on the net

http://www.vimeo.com/5156924

Crazy isn't it?

According information founds here:

http://www.rallycarsforsale.net/clas/index.php?ct=fsrpc&md=details&id=45229

The Berg cup engine output 190hp, and use 300° camshaft.

The best engine from Philippe HOUEL, that i found for sale, output 205HP.

Best regards.

atecracing.

12 Re: Oettinger Race camshaft. on Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:23 pm

romaingirardlamamy

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Hi Marc

what is the engine size on houel s engine ?

if it s a 2000cc that s pretty poor performance for a formula car

yeah it s confusing regarding the camshaft

I saw the engine for sale and called him
he wanted 6000 € for the complete engine with auxiliary
but sold it to a friend the engine is prepped by JDM if i m not wrong
from what i read this guy is a wizard

the adds is saying one thing but the new owner is saying another

so 290 or 300 I gave him the link hopefully he will come and talk about it himself

I saw the car this year at eschdorf in it s 2 liter configuration
it s unbelievable how quick this car is

13 Re: Oettinger Race camshaft. on Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:57 am

atecracing


Hello.

OE engine size for HOUEL engine is 1.6L (we are speaking about racing engine)('lol!')

http://www.ffsa.org/membre/pa/detail.php?id=24582&theme=la_ffsa

on this FFSA site, there is several other OE racing engine to sell, but it is impossible to have some technical information on their internal parts.

Sure if you put a Lehman engine in a Golf1 who weight only 700kg you have a rocket, but who have 50.000 Euros? affraid

atecracing

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